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09 August 2009 @ 02:55 pm
Is YA just for Teens?  
Okay. So normally I don't like to get drawn into online kerfuffles, especially when they're started by trolls, but this one was hit a nerve. It actually doesn't have anything to do with me, but everything to do with one of my favorite book bloggers, Kristi at The Story Siren. She's one of many online book reviewers who specializes in YA, and she's one of the classier ones. Snazzy blog, great book choices, thoughtful reviews. In the know. I appreciate that and read her blog frequently. (and not just because she likes my books).

But this week she posted her usual "in my Mailbox" where she talks about the ARCs that have come in during the week and what she's bought for reading. And got a blast of negative anonymous comments accusing her of hogging all the books, requesting too many review copies, and being "too old" for YA. The nasty comments (which she may or may not have deleted by the time you read this) continue on the next post, again claiming that she's taking review copies from publishers that would otherwise go to legitimately teenaged bloggers and saying again and again that she's too old. There was a lot of swearing, and not even in an interesting way.

Basically, it was the height of tacky. And the whole point behind it was idiotic anyway; Kristi gets sent books because she posts decent reviews on a regular basis and runs a great-looking blog. Teenaged bloggers often don't get books because they don't review often enough or don't have enough readers. Blogging well is practically a part time job and frankly, most people regardless of age aren't cut out to be great blog reviewers.

Okay.

But that's not what offended me, because Kristi knows all that and so does most anybody who is engaging all of their brain neurons.

The real thing that grated my cheese was this idea that a blogger ought to step down from YA lit because she's no longer a teen. Um, no. Actually, allow me to clarify:

HELL NO.

The average YA author is older than I am and all of us are older than our intended teen readership. Does that mean we ought to be writing adult fiction instead? That would be a lot of unhappy Twihards if Stephanie Meyer decided to write Twilight as an adult series. The thing about YA is that the kernel of it, the point of it, the entire theme of the genre is coming of age. Coming of age is something that we can understand at any age. It's being on the cusp of something new. It's making that leap, deciding what to do with yourself. It's doing anything for the first time. That's the point of YA fiction, and it's something that anybody can enjoy. Look at the success of TWILIGHT. Harry Potter. (and yikes, SHIVER).

To say that adults can't read YA because they aren't the same age as the protagonists is as ludicrous as saying that teens can't read adult books because they aren't yet adults. It's ultimately condescending, either way. Adult saying to teen: "you won't enjoy this movie/ book because as a teen, you haven't experienced loss/ cheating/ tax evasion/ other adult theme." Teen saying to adult: "you won't enjoy this teen movie/ book because it's been too long since you were cool." No. You cannot say that.

I'm sorry, but every single bone in my body protests against that. It's just as bad as someone telling me something is a "guy book" versus a "girl book." That sound you hear? The sound of my skin prickling.

At 27, I still read mostly YA -- is that wrong of me? I identify more with the character issues in a lot of YA -- the growing up, the jumping off cliffs, the newness -- than I do a lot of adult fiction, which deals with fatigue, mid-life crisis, marriage issues. Am I the only twenty something who feels this way? Nope. There's also thirty somethings, forty something, fifty somethings who prefer the genre . . . age is irrelevant when coming to reading. There's no "this is right for this age." "this is wrong for this age."

There's this: "This book is right for me." "This book isn't my thing."

That's the only truth there is in reading. As a reader and as a writer, never forget that YA is a marketing distinction. It's books placed in a certain section of the bookstore because they will probably appeal to teens. It doesn't mean they won't appeal to anybody else. And it doesn't mean that that's the only place in the store they could go. We write the best books we can about the characters we care about, no matter how old they happen to be. And I don't care who's reading my books. I don't care if it's grandmas with fake teeth or teens with ipods or toddlers drooling sippy cups on the pretty blue ink. I just care that they're being read.

So whoever it is that was posting anonymously on The Story Siren, you probably won't ever read this. But if you do, I hope you take away this. You can't tell people what to love. YA is for teens and anyone who's ever been one. I think that just about covers it.

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angie_frazier[info]angie_frazier on August 9th, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
"Coming of age is something that we can understand at any age."

Amen.

:-)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)
:D
chicklitteens[info]chicklitteens on August 9th, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
Great post Maggie! I completely agree with you, anyone can read YA, regardless of their age.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I am slightly less steamed now than when I wrote the post but I'm not sorry I did!
[info]thebookexplorer.blogspot.com on August 9th, 2009 07:08 pm (UTC)
Amen~ Nicely said. =)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks.
Ria: cup of tea[info]kessie on August 9th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
I saw those comments and was horrified by how vicious they were. My teenage years are past me, but YA makes up about 60% of what I read because I enjoy it. Publishers and their reps give ARCs to those who like books (and who are usually connected to the publishing business) to build up buzz and word of mouth, not to who 'should' have them because they're the right age. Age doesn't matter once something in a book--whatever age group it's marketed towards--resonates with the reader.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:16 pm (UTC)
Seriously! There are tens of thousands of YA readers -- that doesn't make you qualified for an ARC. You have to earn them with good performance and a knowledge of the genre.
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[info]booknerdextraordinaire.blogspot.com on August 9th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
Well said. I am sooo old. OMFG. like 31. So like decrepit. How dare I, like, read a TEEN BOOK!!???

LOL Thanks for posting!

Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, who can even REMEMBER being a teen? In my next SHIVER book, Grace will clearly have to be pushing 30.

And thanks!
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The crumbling difference between wrong and right: Fountain[info]apocalypticbob on August 9th, 2009 07:18 pm (UTC)
Very true. Anyone who thinks that only children and teenagers can read books about teenagers and kids is missing out on classics such as Gone With The Wind (Scarlett is a teenager for a good potion of the book), Tom Sawyer, Oliver Twist, Huckleberry Finn, Alice In Wonderland, and most of the works of Shel Silverstein and Roald Dahl. Are these books only for children? To suggest so would be ludicrous!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:20 pm (UTC)
How about CURIOUS INCIDENT OF DOG IN THE NIGHT TIME? or . . . CROW LAKE?

Seriously . . .
(Anonymous) on August 9th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
We should all be able to read whatever we like regardless of age. Thanks for such a great post.

Kate
http://neverendingshelf.blogspot.com
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
Jennifer Lynn Barnes[info]jenlyn_b on August 9th, 2009 07:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the rant. I now feel like I don't have to post a similar one. :)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, I wish you would. I LIKE your rants.
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LadyAngst[info]lady_angst on August 9th, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
Some of the most interesting writing right now is being done in YA. And I'm going to read it, even if I AM an Old Adult. What a loss to all of us if we were limited by these labels.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:23 pm (UTC)
Exactly! Thank you for saying that!
[info]presentinglenore.blogspot.com on August 9th, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
That steamed me too! There are plenty of great teen reviewers out there, but some of my favorite reviews of teen books are written by adults. Oh, and the teen books are written by adults too. I imagine if only teens read teen books, there wouldn't be as many teen books to read.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
Damn straight! Sorry, I mean darn straight. I guess I am still slightly steamed as well. ;)
Rebekah[info]pugnacioun on August 9th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
I actually used to read YA with a tinge of guilt (even though I am sixteen and used to be younger*, and thus firmly within the intended audience), thinking (for some reason) that fiction directed at my age would have to be more stupid or a lot easier than fiction written for adults. In hindsight, this opinion is ludicrous. Audience never determines the value (etc.) of a book, and the difficulty more or less stops being determined by audience after kids books (as great as 'Green Eggs and Ham' is, it is not necessarily hard to read. at all.).

Now I read lots of YA and am consistently shocked (and then use this shock to justify the righteous indignation in which I revel) by all the misconceptions people have about YA, and how it seems like people who don't read it (or don't read much) regard it all as a single genre and judge it accordingly (if a science fiction book based around machines isn't as profound in its exploration of coming of age as a book about a teenager who goes to camp and ~grows as a person~, it's then considered inferior) when they wouldn't do the same with a book written for adults. There are great books of all genres for teens, and for adults, and you're cheating yourself out of some great reads if you close yourself off to either.


*I bet that blows your mind.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:28 pm (UTC)
even though I am sixteen and used to be younger*

You mean . . . you are actually . . . AGING!? Like, each year you are older than the LAST? This is shocking.

And thanks. Obviously I totally agree.
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Rebecca Davies[info]badbookworm on August 9th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
Brava.

I was writing "grown up" books as a teen (which weren't entirely without merit, IMHO). At 29, I'm writing children's and YA books, and reading 'em too.
Maggie Stiefvater: ballad kiss[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was the same way too -- there wasn't an awesome upper YA section when I was one.
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C[info]spark_force on August 9th, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
This. I agree wholeheartedly.

Reading the link, I rather suspect the reason the troll isn't getting any ARCs isn't because Kristi is taking them all, but because her grammar is so terrible that no one wants to read her reviews.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
Well, and so much swearing. She isn't even using the swears that can also be verbs and adjectives; clearly an oversight.

And yes. i agree. And thanks.
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Michael M Jones[info]oneminutemonkey on August 9th, 2009 07:33 pm (UTC)
I'll stand my ground and continue to review YA until I myself have decided that for whatever reason, I no longer relate to the books in question. I'm 35, but damned if I don't love YA as much as ever... and there are so many books in that genre I wish had been around when I was in high school. GEEKTASTIC alone would have been invaluable to my sense of self. :>
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:36 pm (UTC)
AMEN.
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Pam: Elizabethtown[info]aurumsisters on August 9th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree with you more! I'm 23 and the first section of the bookstore that I still flock to is the teen section. I hardly ever find adult books that appeal to me. It unnerves me that people can't always see this. A book can be good and appeal to you, no matter what your age. Aren't there children's books out there that people still love no matter what their age? How are teen/YA books any different? I still enjoy a good dose of Curious George, which is far from the books intended for "my age".
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, I totally agree (obviously)
greenbeantq[info]greenbeantq on August 9th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
Wonderful post Maggie! I was so annoyed and upset when I saw those comments on Kristi's site. If I can't read teen book anymore, then that means I have to read those awful Oprah picks-ugh-which means I'll just have to stop reading, and then I'd be a pretty terrible teen librarian. I guess my life is just doomed! ;)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Clearly you are a woman out of time. ;)
edgyauthor: Heart[info]edgyauthor on August 9th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
*applauds*

Even though I'm only twenty, I still feel embarrassed reading YA sometimes, and had felt that way more strongly back when I was actually a teen. Teachers would say I'm too old, and all my friends would refuse to read YA -- and, on the rare chance that they DID read YA, it was always coupled with, "It's YA, BUT it's good."

I think YA is less stigmatized now, but the fact that it still is at all, enough so to produce the kind of comments you mentioned, is nauseating. YA may have teenage protagonists, but that doesn't mean you have to be a teenager (or younger) to learn something from them, or even to simply enjoy them. Life is full of never-ending growth and uncertainties, and the YA genre best personifies those feelings, so why try to pigeonhole it for a single age group when we all can benefit?
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
What's sad about this is that it's not an adult sniffing at some adult reading YA -- it's a TEEN sniffing at an adult reading YA!
jenniferjabaley[info]jenniferjabaley on August 9th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
"People can't tell you what to love" Love that! So true - great post.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
Qwi_Xux[info]qwi_xux on August 9th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU. It is SO nice to hear this coming from a YA writer! The soon-to-be published series that my co-author and I are writing is technically YA fiction, but the majority of our test readers have not been teenagers for quite some time. As you said, the people who write YA fiction are generally not teenagers. My co-author and I were still very young when we started this series--I was 20 and she was 22--but we wrote something because it was what we loved to read. There's that beautiful newness of love and life and working through the difficulties of 'who am I and what am I doing with myself' in YA. Not that "adult" fiction doesn't carry some of those themes sometimes, but there's a magic in the world of "teenage fiction" that can strike the heart of any reader at any age. I'm about to turn 26 and I still love reading YA; when I got to the library, I'm drawn to the YA section and not the adult section. (And sometimes *gasp* the juvenile fiction section because a lot of YA fiction gets classified as kids'.)

There is still so much I identify with in YA fiction, and I think there always will be. I'm married, I have two kids, I pay bills and run errands and I know what "adult life" is like, but there's always in there the heart of discovery and learning new things and a constant change in growing. I'm going to read anything I can identify with, and let's face it, anything that's just fun and intriguing.

So, um, yeah. I'll shut up now, but really--thank you for saying all of this. <3

(Speaking of reading YA fiction, I now have Shiver sitting on my shelf and as soon as I get some of this writing I have to do out of the way, I plan on reading it. I'll send you my thoughts on it when I'm done, if you'd like.)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, and YES! It's not at all inappropriate or even weird for an adult to read YA exactly because of what you said!

And whoo, SHIVER! I'd love to hear your thoughts on it when you get a chance to read it.
Julie Kagawa[info]sylverkit on August 9th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
I just came from that whole mess at TSS, and wow. Seems "Anon" just keeps posting nasty comments over and over. Yikes.

Great post! Exactly what I would say (and did, actually, in the comments section). Makes you want to take something hard and wooden to the side of someone's head.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think it's just one annoying person posting over and over.

And lol. Yes.
sammyjones57: willwriteforfood[info]sammyjones57 on August 9th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
Great post!

I've been following Kristi's blog most of the day and put my two cents in a few times, but I was very shocked to see the comments made. I'm 24 and I love YA. My friends will sometimes laugh and make remarks that maybe I shouldn't be reading teen books anymore, but like I tell them, I was completely jipped when I was a teen so I'm making up for lost time.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
Hey, they don't know what they're missing.
Niamh Sage[info]niamh_sage on August 9th, 2009 08:03 pm (UTC)
Excellent post. For the record, I am pushing 40 and still reading and enjoying YA (probably because I don't actually feel older than 18 a lot of the time :P ). As far as I'm concerned, if the story's good, then I'm there!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
AMEN!
ravenousreadr[info]ravenousreadr on August 9th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
Great Post Maggie,
I totally love the Story Siren and enjoy her blog. I myself have a YA book blog and am so totally out of teens, but should that mean that I cannot enjoy the genre. HELL NO. I love to read. Period. And if YA is what I am reading and love, then so be it, but I'll be damned if someone tells me that because of my age I should not read it.

Keep up the good work.
YA lover for life
RR
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
Great comment back, RR!!!!
[info]hiddenplace.wordpress.com on August 9th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you Maggie, for sticking up, not only for Kristi (who is awesome and totally does not deserve this!) but for all of us book bloggers (YA exlusive or not) out there. I already knew you were a great writer, but now I know what a classy lady you are.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you
You're welcome. Thank you guys for pointing me to great books!
Julia Karr[info]juliakarr on August 9th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
Right on, Maggie! WooHoo! I am a tad (lol) older than you and it's been a long time since I was a "teen" - but, I so love YA! I love reading it, writing it, talking about, etc. Yep - YA for me, thank you very much!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 9th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
*grin* As it should be!