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27 August 2009 @ 12:11 pm
The Final Critique Partner Love Connection  
I get asked all the time if I will read my readers' unfinished manuscripts (the answer is no, I can't, not legally) or if I have suggestions on how to find critique partners, and how I found mine. I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again, because I've worked up a solution, I think.

Back when I was first looking for critique partners, I went through a stunning number of inappropriate matches. At first I didn't realize what an inappropriate critique partner was -- I thought I just didn't like critique, or I thought I was too egotistical to recognize their suggestions as valid, or I thought I was just getting annoyed for stupid reasons, like when someone moved a comma instead of commenting on stilted dialog.

But then I signed a deal with my first editor, Yoda, and his revisions were exciting, challenging. Plus, they felt like they had come directly out of my head. For the first time, I didn't feel like the edits were trying to make my book into something else. I felt like they were trying to make my book into a better version of MY book. It was like me, except objective, working on my own book.

I knew there had to be other people like him. People that critiqued in a language that I spoke. And what makes one critique partner editing gold to one writer can make them an anathema to another -- it's as subjective as writing and reading. So I set out on a critique partner dating process. On my blog, I put out an open call: I would read and critique the first 50 pages of anyone's manuscript if they would do the same for mine. We would exchange critiques, and if for any reason we weren't meshing, we could walk away, no questions asked, no feelings hurt.

I went through about a dozen before I found my two critique partners, Brenna Yovanoff & Tessa Gratton. They're absolutely right for me: we read similar things, we all like a no-holds barred critique, we don't line-edit, only edit globally. We were also very much at the same place in our writing careers and learning curves. (PLEASE note that this does not mean agented or published -- though I was both at the time -- as both were unagented and uncontracted at the time of our meeting, a fact which has since changed. It means at the same level of writing and the same general awareness of the biz, whether or not agents have happened yet).

Anyway, I've done a Critique Partner love connection here on the blog, but it was a bit cumbersome, plus it fell off the page eventually and was hard to find once it did. Then, brilliance hit me as I was driving through the countryside at a slightly illegal pace. What I needed was a permanent place to lodge critique requests.

I've asked the folks over at MaggieStiefvaterFans.com if they would let me set up a permanent critique partner connection forum there, and they said yes! So I've set up a subforum there for finding crit partners and beta readers, just like I did. I recommend posting your info there, contacting interesting sounding writers, and swapping the first 50 pages for a no-obligation-trial-offer-then-buy-it-if-you-like-whoooo! period.

So you can go over and sign up; you don't have to be a fan, just an aspiring writer (I will neither know the difference nor care, I promise). Hope this helps! I promise you, a good crit partner makes all the difference in the world. I have two editors and an agent, and still, my crit partners see absolutely everything before they do.

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whereistheluv[info]whereistheluv on August 27th, 2009 04:29 pm (UTC)
This is awesome! I was just thinking last night how I hoped you would do another match up. Great idea. Can't wait to try it out!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
Hope it helps!
Cate[info]rosemaryinwheat on August 27th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
Very cool. Thanks!

I've recently ripped apart my WIP, but will keep an eye out and post when I've got my baby stitched up.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
Great!
Sandy Shin: hand to hold[info]sandy_shin on August 27th, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC)
Thank you for setting this up! It sounds very awesome. :)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
Hope it's useful!
Rachel[info]seeyouupside on August 27th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
How do we begin? :-)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
Click on over to the fansite for instructions!
T.M. Thomas[info]tmthomas on August 27th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
I still have my first 50 pages of Still Wolf Watching. I'm holding onto those so someday my heir's heirs will sell them back to the Stiefvater Museum for a fortune.

Great idea with the partner search again. I know my stuff suffers from having only my jaundiced eye reading it.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
Ha! Good luck with that . . . they were not a pretty sight.
T.M. Thomas[info]tmthomas on August 27th, 2009 05:04 pm (UTC)
Yes, but scholars will want to dissect them, and your edits on my craptastic writing, to get inside your head.
Melissa[info]stardustandsand on August 27th, 2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
You seriously just made my day. Yesterday I was talking to a friend about needing another critique partner. I had no clue what to do to find another one and then...voila! the universe gave me an answer. :)

Thanks so much setting this up!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)
*grin* I hope it works!
Jana Oliver: Author Statue[info]crazywritergirl on August 27th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
The match-up idea is wonderful! Thanks for doing this.

Just like you, it took me a while to find the perfect critique partners. One writes novel length, the other two are into essays and poetry. The combination has been fabulous. They are one of the main reasons I now have an agent and a NY contract. Nothing's changed in their eyes: they still hold my toes to fire and I love them for it.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
YES. It is so great to have crit partners who don't care what accolades you have to your name -- they still kick your butt when you need it.
Jana Oliver: Author Statue[info]crazywritergirl on August 27th, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
Amen. Makes for a sore butt, but great books.
cathschaffstump: janetta[info]cathschaffstump on August 27th, 2009 05:59 pm (UTC)
But then I signed a deal with my first editor, Yoda, and his revisions were exciting, challenging. Plus, they felt like they had come directly out of my head. For the first time, I didn't feel like the edits were trying to make my book into something else. I felt like they were trying to make my book into a better version of MY book. It was like me, except objective, working on my own book.

This is SUPER important, and something I try to impart as a teacher to my students and the teachers who work for me. Especially when dealing with folks writing in another language, it's important to take the time to help them find the intent of what they want to say, rather than to fix their English in a convenient way you would. It's hard work, but whose paper is it? Who has ownership?

It's the same for me as a writer. The near-miss agent got the story, and rather than pushing me toward a different book, he wanted me to buff up the book I wrote. It's my hope that eventually an agent like that will take me on, because I really enjoyed that kind of support.

I've read books where it's seemed to me that the editor hasn't guided the writer. I know that a good editor is an amazing commodity.

Just a side note--I really am enjoying the "watch Maggie get accolades" phase of your writing journey. Especially since you've always been such an upbeat, positive example to other writers. Thank you for reaffirming my commitment to the karmic wheel.

Off to the language lab!

Catherine
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
*grin* Thanks, Catherine. As always an incredibly thoughtful comment!
Karen Mahoney: WW_hee[info]kaz_mahoney on August 27th, 2009 06:00 pm (UTC)
Maggie, this is such a great post! I am totally linking to this. :)

*digs toe in dirt* You're my hero...
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
Don't you owe me an email? ahem? says INSANELY curious maggie?
Karen Mahoney[info]kaz_mahoney on August 27th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
On its way, but it's not what you're expecting. ;)
P Sunshine: campfire[info]p_sunshine on August 27th, 2009 07:28 pm (UTC)
Brilliant! Thanks!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
You're welcome!
Ria[info]kessie on August 27th, 2009 08:04 pm (UTC)
Oh, awesome, thank you!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 27th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
You're welcome!
karenbschwartz[info]karenbschwartz on August 27th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
i really liked this post, so helpful to me as I've given a lot of thought into how to find the right critique partner for me and did not relish the idea of getting a lot of random, ill-fitting matches. Without knowing how to get out of them without hurting feelings, I have instead done nothing. Nice of you to set up a place for people to go, too.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 28th, 2009 01:57 am (UTC)
Well, I wish you luck finding the right people -- it was terrible trying to do it while being nice and tactful and sticking with a crit partner you really didn't mesh with . . . this way was soo much better.
(Anonymous) on August 28th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Is it really illegal for you to read people's manuscripts? Because I know two published authors who do it (unless I misunderstood something.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 28th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
It's legally complicated. I can legally read them, but then if someone down the road claims I read their manuscript years ago and used an idea of theirs, they can sue me -- someone actually just did this to one of the hosts on the Today show or something like that, sued her for plagiarism because she said she sent in a manuscript about gluten free diets or something a few years back and now the host had come out with a book on it. There was no way of proving anything and ideas can't be copyrighted, but it was a pain in the butt for all involved.

So I just have an across the board "nope" policy except for my two critique partners. Fewer possible ulcers that way.
LovesSam[info]je11ytots on August 28th, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
Are you doing another ARC competition for Ballad? if anyone else is running one, would the details be posted on here? Curious *slight understatement*
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 28th, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, that was the only ARC I had. Sadness!
LovesSam[info]je11ytots on August 28th, 2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
No worries, we dont have too long to wait now anyways and it always makes it more exciting having to wait.
Niamh Sage[info]niamh_sage on August 28th, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
But then I signed a deal with my first editor, Yoda, and his revisions were exciting, challenging. Plus, they felt like they had come directly out of my head. For the first time, I didn't feel like the edits were trying to make my book into something else. I felt like they were trying to make my book into a better version of MY book. It was like me, except objective, working on my own book.


This was humbling to read. I think I've been doing precisely the wrong thing all these years. Thank you for nailing it for me - now I just have to figure out how to go in the other direction!
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 28th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
Well, I certainly hope that i've managed to help, not hinder . . .
Niamh Sage[info]niamh_sage on August 29th, 2009 05:31 am (UTC)
Oh yes, you've helped a lot! And not hindered at all. I've been wondering why I've been having trouble with fiction work (I've done non-fiction editing for years, but my few attempts with fiction just haven't felt as if they're going right), and what you said really rang true for me. I hope that it's something I can learn, because I'd really love to do more fiction work.

ps I've been doing your Butt In Chair method for writing and it's working very well! :D

Edited at 2009-08-29 05:38 am (UTC)
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 29th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
Well, I can definitely say a good crit partner makes all the difference in the world.
(Anonymous) on August 28th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
Hi Maggie! Just a quick note to say that I really enjoyed Shiver and will be hunting down your other books! I'm a bookseller in Ontario and I'll let everyone know how awesome Shiver is! I've also reviewed it on my blog: http://eoseventeen.blogspot.com/2009/08/review-shiver.html
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 28th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
What a brilliant review! Thank you! And that black/ white cover is actually the UK edition cover. I think the US paperback will have the exact same cover as the hardcover (which I love, love, love, love).
jemacleod[info]jemacleod on August 29th, 2009 06:37 am (UTC)
Hey Maggie, Thanks for the help and suggestions on the art award contest!!! It helps!

J
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 29th, 2009 12:42 pm (UTC)
Good! It's a really broad subject so I was momentarily s;dlfjlksjdf on how to narrow it down!
prophet1: Simon have a shave[info]prophet1 on August 29th, 2009 12:12 pm (UTC)
Thats a great idea, but I don't think I could be someone's critique partner. I'd be happy to read something, but I couldn't work to a time line, and thats not fair. I've had three friends read my manuscript, two commented (one cried), one hasn't commented, and its floating with someone really cool.

I had a professional manuscript asessment done (early days), which was helpful, but you go in blind. After nine rewrites I paid an editor to have a look. Thankfully he understood what I was trying to do, and guided me to make improvements.

I have learnt more about writing and marketing from you and the sisters than any other source, so, thank you. I loved Shiver, and I cried. Cheers.
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on August 29th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)
Really!? YAY! MORE TEARS! I stay young on the tears of my readers . . . ;p

And I actually have a spot set up there on the forum for people willing to be beta readers, too, because some people have a great critical eye but don't have a manuscript in that spot or, like you, just don't have the time to read regularly.

I'm really, really glad that me and the Sisters could inspire. It's a great feeling!