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08 June 2010 @ 01:27 pm
And Now, I Scream, Because That's What Girls Do  
I’m afraid today’s gonna be a rant.

It all started because of a blog post I read yesterday, about stereo-typing gender in novels. And then got sort of nudged on its way by a book I was reading last night. And then my annoyance and rant was finally solidified this morning when I was hunting for Legos for my daughter’s birthday.

I’ll spare you the agony of my thought processes and instead sum up the thesis that all three of these things were putting forth: men and women are inherently different.  Different enough to want drastically different things out of life. Different enough that the same behaviors mean different things. Almost different enough to be two different species, according to the blog post and its comments.

harry_siriusAs an author, I write people who are not like me all the time. With any character, you have to ask yourself, “would this character really react this way?” It’s a question that gets harder the further away a character is from your own personal experience. Writing about a bookish girl who plays a lot of musical instruments, for instance, is going to be a different kettle of fish for me than writing about, say, a divorced astronaut with gout. One of them is a far longer jump for me than the other.

But I have to tell you, I don’t think that merely crossing the gender divide is enough to make me trade my writer pogo stick for a jet plane. A male version of me would not be as different as people seem to think. And this is what it comes down to: gender stereotypes are something that really toast my bread.

Bu they’re in reviews, in product placement, everywhere. On the Lego site, they had a ton of cool sections. Pirates, Star Wars, Castles, Fire Trucks . . . and then one section labeled “Recommended for girls.” Guess what was in it? Grocery store. House. A Lego heart. A Lego bunny. Shopping center. Post man. Garbage man. A marketplace. And pink things, of course. You know what Thing 1, my daughter, really wanted? A castle. With some swash-buckling guys and a princess. Such a thing was nearly impossible to find -- I had to get a castle and then track down a princess on eBay, because you just couldn’t get a castle with a chick in it. Because of course, girls don’t play with castles.

And then, the other day, Thing 2 (4 year old boy) came home from school and said that he didn’t want to watch a movie that he and Thing 1 used to love to watch, because it was “girly.” I said, “How do you figure?” He said that one of his friends at school had said so. He couldn’t watch it because it would somehow diminish his stature. I gotta tell you, that steamed my clams. (yes, there’s a lot of cooking going on in this post. It’s how you can tell I’m really hot around the collar)(oh! oh! the puns!)(I amuse myself).

angelina-jolie-daniel-craig-tomb-raiderThe thing is this: yes, there are some physiological differences between men and women. They were just talking on Mythbusters last night about how women have higher pain tolerance, for instance. But the vast psychological gap between men and women, the one that makes books like Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus possible, is created after we pop out of the womb. There are little subtle things that we do every day to reinforce stereotypes. We say, for instance, that we want a sensitive man who cries. (and guess what, little boys cry just as often as little girls). But when we’re watching a movie and the big burly man cries at the funeral and says “it’s so beautiful!” what does the audience do? We don’t say “awww.” We laugh, right? So what guy in his right mind is going to not suppress his tears or his sentimentality? And we say we want strong women who make up their minds. But a woman who shoots from the hip and says just what she wants? Well, then she’s a bitch -- where’s her sense of tact?

And the thing is, so many teens I know don’t question these attitudes. They take it as fact, when in different eras, what was was seen as feminine and masculine was wildly different. Men were painters without any snickering. Women couldn’t play violin because the arm position was provocative. To be tanned was unbecoming for a woman. It was not seen as unmanly to be a patron of the arts. Society makes up a lot of rules for what it means to be a man or a woman. And society is us. That means we can unmake them too.

Okay, so I need to bring this back around to my writing philosophy. And it’s this: yes, I know there are women and men who are wildly different from one another, who fall classically along gender lines. But I also know that there are those who are not that different, the ones who have escaped or resisted a lot of the influences that makes us pink-clad shoppers versus muscle-bound Maxim readers. And when I write, my characters will often be plucked from that latter group. Boys who read poetry and girls who swear and guys who play music and chicks who love cars. I refuse to see the gender gap in YA fiction as a chasm of fixed proportions. I refuse to constantly make sure my girls are acting “girly” and my boys are acting “guyish.” That would mean letting current mores define gender and character for me.

Because when it comes down to it, a stereotype is only true now. An individual is true for ever.

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Chernobyl Redchernobylred on June 8th, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
That last photo should be captioned "No one would remember this movie if I wasn't THE ROCK."
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:50 pm (UTC)
LOL. Okay, that's also true.
Jackiefabulousfrock on June 8th, 2010 05:34 pm (UTC)
This same subject came up in my blog today! (inserting obligatory shameless plug: http://jaclyndolamore.blogspot.com/2010/06/female-characters-pt-3-love-and.html although it was not so entertaining.) It just evolved from our discussion of female characters and I agree...it drives me nuts. It's similar to adults trying to write teenagers who are concerned about how teenagers are SOOO different these days, like nowadays the entire life of a teenager is text messages, blow jobs and newfangled slang words, so they do all this research into what teenagers LIKE, and how they TALK, and how they THINK differently... Groan.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:51 pm (UTC)
YES! Man, people. People are people.
sheriblumesheriblume on June 8th, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
It is amazing how society imprints these attitudes on children at a young age. The other day my son and daughter, me and my mother were in the mall and the boy marches to the front of the group and says "I know which way to go because I am a man."

Both me and my Mom stopped right there in the middle of the mall and I had to reel him in and give him a bit of a reality check. Then asked him where in the world he got that! I suspect it was some TV show.

I so would have wanted the castle Legos!
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
I would say that TV was the devil if it weren't for Mythbusters and Lie to Me and Food Network and Harry Potter at dinnertime.
lotsatrebblelotsatrebble on June 8th, 2010 05:41 pm (UTC)
LOVE that last line!!!!

Don't EVEN get me started on commercials. Even worse for gender lines. I always ask... if it is the man's mess.. WHY is the woman cleaning it up???? *off soap box* ;)
Stephanie: Karavan's Dawnallthelivesofme on June 8th, 2010 05:48 pm (UTC)
if it is the man's mess.. WHY is the woman cleaning it up????

Oh, so very much agreed. And why the mute button is always close at hand whenever we watch TV.
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Shannon_Delanyshannon_delany on June 8th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
A worthwhile rant. Your last two lines are perfect, by the way.

As someone who did competitive shooting when girls generally *didn't* because of stereotyping I agree that we are much more similar than different (but I tend to believe this regardless of race, culture and religion, too).

I also see this issue arising with my young son and our local community. There are behavioral expectations based solely on the existence of testes or ovaries. We work to make sure our son makes choices based on who he is, not what he is expected to be.

Glad you managed to eventually find what you needed for your daughter's birthday--may she have a happy one!
~Shannon
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC)
YES. I battle with the idea of girl scouts and other gender stuff as well, and it's very innocent -- but also very conformist. It's hard to live in the society without BEING it.
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shiananwrites: Blood the Last Vampireshiananwrites on June 8th, 2010 05:51 pm (UTC)
See icon? IT DEFIES YOUR SOCIAL STANDARDS! That and its just cool.

I completely agree with you, Maggie. When growing up? I climbed trees, played with Ninja Turtles, built my houses out of Lincoln Logs, dug holes to find worms to go fishing with. I didn't do "girly." To some extent, I still don't. Its a fight my husband and I have a lot. He's your typical guy. Cars, football, video games with lots of hack and slash *Tim Allen grunting* and he wants me to be a typical girl. I laugh at him, put on my pants, throw the skirt in the back of the closet and go climb out on the roof to hang shiny things.
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
I can't believe he wants it -- most guys I know SAY they want the girly girl, but when it comes to it, they want a girl that will jump into the back of the pick up truck with mud on her shins.
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Stephanie: Karavan's Dawnallthelivesofme on June 8th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
In love with the last two lines.

And yeah, I've got a little boy now and someone was giving me flack for swaddling him in his big sister's old (pink) blanket. He is not even two weeks old ARGH.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
*grumble*

And thanks.
T.M. Thomastmthomas on June 8th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
Very interesting post.
Pure drivel, of course, coming from the weak mind of the female, but a laudable attempt.
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
Har!
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abbyminardabbyminard on June 8th, 2010 05:53 pm (UTC)
Oh I 100% agree with you. When you talked about your kids and stereotypes, that really hits the nail on the head for my daughter. She loves spongebob, cars, and Diego, blue is her favorite color and hates the Princess movies. But now that she's getting older (almost 5) she has kids telling her she should love dolls, pink and the Princesses. Boys tell her something is "Just for Boys" so she tells me she can't have it. I tell her she can play with whatever she wants. And, its always the parents that start this! Observing other preschool moms out there, they infuse their boys or girls with gender "appropriate" toys and won't let them play with the other. At the zoo, all the moms and daughters go "ewwww!" about snakes, while my daughter and I (and all the boys) go, "cool!". Many times we have to go to the "boy" section to find party stuff or toys, but I can tell she is starting to feel like she has to go to the "girl" section. So I totally get where you are coming from. I've always loved strong girl kick-butt characters that don't conform to society. My main characters of my books, even growing up, are always strong and don't conform to that gender stereotype.
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
YES! It is so, so hard as a parent. You don't want to always be the odd one out, but hot damn, why is everyone conforming to these stupid limitations?
calliope_jonescalliope_jones on June 8th, 2010 05:58 pm (UTC)
I love it. I was just having an argument with my brother because he hinted that my toddler boy was wrong for having a purse. A purse which is a tote bag covered in skeletons. My brother was 'concerned' that I was going to make my son too girly. As I'm not girly, I found that hilarious. My son will be who he wants to be and I have no problem with that. I find gender stereotypes to be outdated and infuriating. This is from a girl who was once told I couldn't play drums because 'girls don't do that'.
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:00 pm (UTC)
Seriously. This Team Blue and Team Pink seems so middle grade. I'd like to think that as a society, we're over that.
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aimeestates on June 8th, 2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
This is why I dig Grace's parent's in Shiver. They didn't coddle her and pretend like she would be kidnapped from a mall bathroom at any moment, and she was every bit as independent as they let her be.

As a sidenote: I just deleted "Time to put on my big girl pants" from my MSS...lol.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
HAHAHAHA at the line removal!
wldhrsjen3wldhrsjen3 on June 8th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
That LEGOS thing burns my bum. I noticed the same thing a couple of years ago when Daughter wanted a set to play with Son. She said, "How come all the girl Legos are pink and boring and stupid, but boys get all the adventure sets?"
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
YES. I mean, I was not exactly normal, but I loved the pirates and the castles.
Møøny: Default: Chibi me!moony on June 8th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
A former friend of mine (she went Tea Party-crazy, and that was that) once posted about how she was frustrated by some of the gifts she got at her baby shower because she was expecting a boy and a few of the clothes and toys were "clearly too girly." Which made me really sad - for her kid. Because kids don't care about that stuff, not until other people start to project their own hangups and expectations on them. And more often than not, those other people are their own parents.

:/
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
Yep. And you know, if you really love tea parties, fine, you know? But you're also allowed to love diesel trucks.
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manifesta.dreamwidth.orgmanifesta.dreamwidth.org on June 8th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
Thank you for writing this.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. :)
jules_world_88: Wolfjules_world_88 on June 8th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
You know, something similar happened to me not to long ago. I have to admit, I am not the most girlie person. I love action flicks, and much prefer to wear jeans then a dress. Well I was dating a guy, who seemed stunned that I liked to play basket ball, even though I am terribly bad at it, and wanted to learn how to fish.

It seemed my lack of femininity was a problem. I was "too butch". Sure, I liked to wear a dress once and awhile, but doesn't mean I have to spend hundreds of dollars getting my nails and hair constantly done, or spend hours applying make-up.

I like a good romance, but sometimes, watching things blow up is far more entertaining, then some corny movie I know the ending to.

This is all beside the point. I just got the blog. It irks me as well, and I won't change my ways. I like being on the line of tom boy, and pretty girl. Why should hollywood try to change that?
Maggie Stiefvater: bagpiping maggiem_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
Hey, it was his problem. For every tool in the box like him, there's way more that are turned on by a girl who's wash and wear. But you know that!

I agree, obviously. Be who you wanna be, and worry about the equipment between your legs another time.
mostly_irishmostly_irish on June 8th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
Hells yes.

(Also? I want to put that last photo, cartoon bubble and all, in a frame above my mantle.)
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
THAT would be a conversation piece.
meadowc on June 8th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
You're making my brain hurt...
Okay, I'm apologizing in advance for the novella that is my response to this post. First off, I'd like to quote the Onion: "Stereotypes are a real time-saver." I think, in a nutshell, this is why we tend to fall into them. Boys are rough and girls are soft. The thing is, raising my two children (a 5yo girl and a 2yo boy) I can honestly see where the stereotypes COME from. If it has pink and sparkles, my daughter wants it. And TRUST me when I say that she had cars and trucks and red toys and blue toys along with the pink fairy princess dolls. She just LIKED the dolls.

My son, however, came second and therefore has been surrounded by the pink and sparkles his entire (short) life. His very most favorite thing ever? Trucks and cars and trains. Boy-child CANNOT get enough. And I'm sure we reinforce this idea by BUYING him trucks and cars and trains, but we do it in response to his likes and dislikes. He IS more rough than his sister ever was, and I truly believe that in certain ways males and females truly ARE psychologically different.

Now, cue the part where I support your post and everything you've said: I think the trick is to accept it if our kids (or characters) fall into a traditional gender role, but to also encourage thinking and acting outside of that role. My daughter ADORES playing monsters and getting dirty. She also LOVES computers and video games. As a gamer chick growing up in the 80s and 90s when there were NO female heroines, this makes my techie heart swell. And my son? He loves to "help" Mommy cook and do laundry. He has also been known to wander around the house in his sister's sparkly pink dress-up shoes. And I let him.

So, in summary, I think the thing is to make any character (or little life that we're molding) a WHOLE person. Because who doesn't like sparkly dress-up shoes??
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:24 pm (UTC)
Re: You're making my brain hurt...
See, I see that in my own house-- that Thing 2 prefers to be rough and tumble and that Thing 1 prefers to be girly -- but I also can see how I tend to ignore behaviors that are not in line with those. So Thing 1 tumbles on the ground, but somehow I don't see it as "typical." Thing 2 will be very sensitive and emotional, but it's seen as an outlier. I think even people who are very aware of stereotypes and moving away from them still live in and are affected by society in very subtle ways. I know I am, and I'm really passionate about it.
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gravity.not.includedgrav_ity on June 8th, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)
I work at Toys R us, and it drives me insane. We only have one or two crafts for boys (decorate your own monster trucks), we only have girl dolls, the girl castle is pink and doesn't have a dungeon, the boy castle is AWESOME but doesn't come with any princesses, and OMG, the LEGO! (Yeah, I read the first line of your post and my stomach just clenched)

My current Thing That Annoys Me in regards to toys is that the Avatar: The Last Airbender action figures came out and there are two Aangs, two Zukos, one Sokka and NONE OF THE GIRLS. It makes me crazy.

HOWEVER! A few weeks ago, I had some goofy Star Wars pens on my register, and I was really impressed with what the little girls who came through said about them. My hands down favourite was the girl who complained about there not being a Leia because "Leia is my favourite princess. She shoots back."
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 06:26 pm (UTC)
BEST LINE EVER.
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Angela Hoffmana_hoffman79 on June 8th, 2010 06:32 pm (UTC)
As you could probably guess, I agree whole-heartedly with every thing you said! And I'm delighted to learn that that's why you create your characters as you do - true to themselves, not to outside expectations. :)

I have thought about gender and sex and sexuality a LOT, given my background, but I think the most fundamental truth that I wish everyone knew and recognized was this: The similarities between men and women far exceed any true differences. We are humans first, then men/women, black/white, Christian/Jew/Muslim, etc.

Thankfully, I found a partner who has even fewer expectations of me about how I should act as a woman than I do of myself. My favorite part is when I see him trying to un-indoctrinate his nieces, who live in a home with rigid gender roles. When playing the Game of Life with them once, then ages 7 and 9, he tried to play his part with the pink/girl piece. They argued and argued with him, and he finally took the blue piece. Then, when he got to get "married" in the game, he tried to marry another blue piece and they told him he couldn't do that either. When he asked them why he couldn't, they said, "Because it's that way!" His subtle subversion was beautiful to me (and highly amusing), but his older brother was not so much amused. ;)
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:34 pm (UTC)
LOL. I am amused, too.
heydudeitskay on June 8th, 2010 06:37 pm (UTC)
You're awesome, Maggie :) And it totally makes sense. Stereotypes are possibly the most annoying thing on the Earth.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:35 pm (UTC)
Well, and taxes. ;)
belinda3belinda3 on June 8th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Wowsers!
Yep, yep, and yep. I completely agree. I think need to have more literary heroes who knit and more literary heroines who are invent stuff. We can get so caught up in how we expect a hero to act that we sometimes forget that the what makes them 'real' is often the stuff that makes them atypical--the stuff that puts them in exact opposition to the stereotype.

Another thing I have a gripe about is people believing that just because I am female that I am incapable of writing convincing male characters. I once shared a short story I'd written, a story in which the action took place from a male POV. A friend offered the following comment: "I have read some arguments about point of view-that men can't write women and vice versa. But you wrote convincely (sic) from a guy's p.o.v." While she meant it as a compliment, I couldn't help but think, "If I never wrote from a guy's perspective, I'd be cutting out half the population of the Earth."

Anyway, great work. Love reading your rants, because they are almost always the same as mine!
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Wowsers!
I also wrote a short story from the POV of a psychopath . . . what does that say about me? *grin*

And thanks.
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Karlie Jai: Ravenclaw: Not Opinionated Always Rightgreenfaeriedust on June 8th, 2010 06:45 pm (UTC)
Bravo. : ) It annoys me that people seem to believe they have to be a certain way. Working with children I see this a lot. I get told by young boys that they won't use anything pink because it's girly, and I explain that it's just a colour, and they can like it if they want to. If boys choose to play with dolls, I encourage it, if they ask me to help them wear princess dresses, darn right I zip them up. I try my best to challenge stereotypes as much as I can, particularly when young children seem to be falling into the habit. I press the point that it's about being an individual with whichever qualities you choose for yourself, no matter what category other people have placed them in.

One of my proudest moments in work was watching some 11 year olds just before they went to Secondary School. One boy was explaining to me what kind of a person he was going to be when he got there, what he was going to like, who he was going to befriend, what music he was going to listen to, etc. A girl turned to him and said "I'm just going to be myself, because that's the me I like" That's why I enjoy working with children. : )
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
Awww! Love that line. I wish we'd all say that more often.
cathschaffstump: cathbryoncathschaffstump on June 8th, 2010 06:59 pm (UTC)
Coincidentally, that's this week's topic in Comp 1, and we've been having some very interesting discussions around this very issue. I'll have to tell them about the pink legos.

Catherine
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
Really? Apparently the world was conspiring to talk about that this week.
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Myra: thinkingjourneynorth on June 8th, 2010 06:59 pm (UTC)
All I can really add is, so much agreement. Thank you for this post, Maggie, I absolutely agree with you. So many people need to hear this.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks!
Happy Rowanfairgoldberry on June 8th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Stereotypes are handy enough for predicting the behaviour of groups. If I have a group of eight-year-old girls I know nothing about, and have to pick out toys for them? I would love to say that I should pick out an even mix of 'boy toys' and 'girl toys' to get a gender-neutral mix. But, having interacted with groups of eight-year-old girls, I will instead pick out 75% 'girl toys' and 25% 'boy toys' (and a lot of books). Then, what my brother referred to as the 'curly girls' will squeal ecstatically over the Barbies and makeup sets, and the two lone tomboys will snag the basketball or the model airplane, profoundly grateful that there is something there for them this time, and a little girl who reminds me of me will build a fortress out of all the books.

I think the problem I have comes when someone assumes the stereotype to be 'normal' instead of 'common', and when someone asked to interact with a specific person treats the stereotypes as expected behaviour. Making a kid feel like something is wrong with him or her because 'the other kids' don't do this or that is the problem, not the idea that "girls will generally prefer dolls."

I also think, though, that we often draw that line in too dark an ink.

In some books, I find myself frustrated when 'all the other girls' are written as this monolithic adherence to stereotype, with only Our Plucky Heroine nonconformist enough to step away from the expected norms -- and she rejects Every Last One of them. In reality, I am a sciency girl with a multitool and an allen wrench set in her purse, and a pretty pedicure. The fact that I know how to use drywall anchors for hanging shelving units doesn't shove the love of doing cross stitch and baking cookies out of my head. I tend to assume that on balance, men and women as groups will gravitate in certain directions, but that each of us generally embodies only a part of that gravitation.

If you have a toy truck, and a baseball, and a Barbie, and an easy-bake oven, and you ask the kids to pick their two favorites, the truck and the baseball will be more heavily weighted towards boys, and the barbie and the oven more heavily weighted towards girls. Your post makes the point that it is not, however, to be expected to be universal. My corollary to that is that just because a girl picks the baseball doesn't mean there won't be a Barbie in her other hand, and one of the things that I've liked about the girls in your books is that you *get* that, that you write people who reject certain elements of the gender typing, but not necessarily all of them, and who don't feel at all apologetic about doing so.

I don't know how to get more people to understand that there's a middle ground between normalizing those stereotypes (and 'othering' the ones who don't fit) and insisting that the entire idea of gender differences is inherently sexist and wrong.
Maggie Stiefvaterm_stiefvater on June 8th, 2010 07:39 pm (UTC)
This:

I think the problem I have comes when someone assumes the stereotype to be 'normal' instead of 'common', and when someone asked to interact with a specific person treats the stereotypes as expected behaviour."

Because yes, I believe in stereotypes. I mean, I think they're there for a reason -- because they are common, otherwise we wouldn't carry most of them (I say most because some are quite insidious hangovers from way too long ago or for bad reasons). But I can say that and in the same breath say that stereotypes breed more stereotypes and we should be aware of why we're picking up the pretty pink shirt. Is it because we like pink or because we think it looks feminine?

Which is what you said . .

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