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03 December 2011 @ 11:28 am
A Proper Education  
Today, I’m going to answer a question I get asked a lot. Well, I’m going to combine a few variations of it into one blog post. This is the question(s):

1 - “Did you go to school for Creative Writing?”
2 - “Do you have to have a degree in writing to get published?”
3 - “Have you taken classes in writing?”
4 - “Will you be my mentor?”

First, the short versions.

1 - No. I was a history major.
2 - No. It’s one way to get published, but not the only way. Not even the most common way.
3 - No. Well, not technically. More on that in a bit.
4 - No. But thanks for asking. I barely have enough time to make breakfast in the morning, but maybe this blog will count for something?

Now, the long version. No, I did not get a creative writing degree. I did try, once, to take a creative writing class at my college, but they told me my writing wasn’t promising enough and turned me away. I wasn’t crushed. I was a writer and I was going to learn how to write no matter what.

Yesterday, I was having my blood drawn for a physical, and the lady drawing my blood asked me about how I became a writer (because everyone enjoys a little career chit-chat as their life blood swirls into a collection of tubes). Did I go to school for it? Did I take classes? How did I know about the business? Was it anything like the X-Factor? As I tried to explain my process, she grew more convinced it was a happy accident and I realized that it sounded an awful lot like I just decided to become a writer and then got magically published in a cosmic lottery.

This, of course, does not happen.

And I think what I should have told her is this: You don’t need a creative writing degree, but you do need a writing education.

These are not necessarily the same thing.
 
Warning: For a brief moment, I’m going to get on a soap box. I don’t usually do that on the blog, especially when it’s anything that can be construed as even vaguely political. I don’t like pretending I know any better than anyone else how to solve the world’s problems. I’m just a girl who eats cookies for breakfast and thinks a ’73 Camaro is a perfectly reasonable business vehicle. However, when it comes to this topic, I think I’m qualified to talk about it.

The thing modern education has gotten really wrong is this: ignoring the fact that there are 4,000 ways to competency. 100,000 ways to competency. One million ways to competency. One of the dumbest things ever decided was that a piece of paper with a college name on it made one person’s skill set better than someone else’s.

That piece of paper often means something. But the lack of it often doesn’t.

It’s convenient to put your average muggle through four years of college and expect that they’ll come out the other side equally educated in a specific field, ready to join the workforce. But if you take 50 teens who all want to be history majors, for instance, and put them through four years of college, at the end, you will not have fifty equally-educated graduates. Because some of them will be slackers. Some of them will be naturally talented teachers, but terrible at remembering dates. Some of them will excel at research, but only about 14th century Scotland. Some of them will be great public speakers, but terrible writers. Some of them will be have spent their childhood learning everything that college was going to teach them and will emerge no more clever or skilled than they were at the beginning.

And some people will skip college and go on to be more successful than any of those grads.

How? How!? My sister read and chatted with me about OUTLIERS: The Story of Success, by Malcolm Gladwell. In it, he talks about the 10,000 hour rule — he postulates that it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert in any field. I think this is key. You need to learn everything you can about not only writing, but reading, and everything you can find out about the industry and business. I would say that 10,000 hours of writing sounds about right. But I think that there are lots of ways to accomplish those hours. You can self teach. You can apprentice. You can take classes. You can workshop. You can get a writing critique partner. You can steal someone else’s brain. The only thing that is standard-issue about a writing education is that it must happen in order to be successful. If you want a piece of paper saying you did it, that’s your business, but no one else’s.

Here is my education. I found it this week while I was looking for my social security card. It was a folder of some of my writing from before the age of 17: each of those pieces of paper represents a novel I wrote back then. I spent several hours every
evening writing, and when I wasn’t writing, I was reading, and when I wasn’t reading, I was living — riding horses, showing dogs, having a band, making trouble. You have to have something to write about, after all.


Writing at 17


I reckon before I post this, I should emphasize that I have nothing against degrees in Creative Writing. If you think you need one to keep you motivated or to structure your education, go for it. But it’s not the way I learn. And I’d wager in some cases it can do more harm to an introverted creative person’s psyche than good. But the most important thing is: they’re pretty much invisible when it comes to getting your book published. Your education, however you manage it, is the process: the book is the result. Agents, editors, readers: they don’t care how you got there, just that you did.


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Tiffany Trent[info]tltrent on December 3rd, 2011 05:07 pm (UTC)
This is something, as you probably know, that I could talk endlessly about. But I won't. Suffice to say, it amazes me how many people think they *need* a degree when they don't. I'm a case in point. I got 4, because I'm insane. They helped me in ways I couldn't have foreseen, but I still often wish I'd had your smarts to realize I *could* find out everything I need to know just by writing, living, and doing a little research. Interesting to me that our ed. system often leaves us less, rather than more, confident in our abilities.

And before I go on...off to werk...;)
Jazz[info]theironchocho on December 3rd, 2011 05:17 pm (UTC)
There were a lot of anti-speculative fiction snobs in my undergrad writing program, so critique wasn't always easy or useful, but I'm so happy I have a writing degree. I really needed the classroom structure to motivate myself to learn to write. If I hadn't done it, I'm convinced I'd still be saying that I was going to start writing "someday". However, I do wish I had done a double major in history or art. I tried to get a minor in studio arts, but because of ridiculous rules about transfer students, I was unable to receive one.
boothyisawesome[info]boothyisawesome on December 3rd, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
I'm surprised you were turned away from a writing class in college. We never had to submit samples or anything; if you requested before the class was full, you were in.

I think I was lucky when it came to being in writing classes because all the teachers I had (some of them more than once) were very encouraging to everybody, but also gave some helpful criticism. They were wonderful teachers. I've heard horror stories about creative writing teachers being all snobby or rude, which just makes me more appreciative of the great teachers I had. I was writing YA in my classes but my teacher never said "You need to write a real book." She was open-minded to every kind of story her students were writing (and so were the other students, so the workshop environment was helpful there too).

But you're right- you don't need a degree in writing to become an author. I mean, thinking about all the authors I know and read, there's probably just a few who majored in writing. If you have a good story to tell, it doesn't matter what your background is.
witchy_fairy[info]witchy_fairy on December 3rd, 2011 05:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this. In a time where you're consistantly fed that not having a degree is a terrible, terrible thing, I found this entry of yours to be your most uplifting for me. Writer or not, I've been struggling with going to college for my own reasons as well as others. I'm perfectly happy taking the random class or workshop and feeling looked down upon for not having that piece of paper was beginning to chisel away tiny pieces of me. Thank you! I needed to read this.
maine_character[info]maine_character on December 3rd, 2011 06:39 pm (UTC)
I have a degree in Creative Writing from Emerson College, and I can tell you for certain that you are absolutely right.

(borrows soapbox)

I had classes with well-known writers, including one who later won the Pulitzer, and yet when it came to fiction, most of it was just workshopping, which means reading your story aloud and having the other students chip in. You can easily get that online now, as well as plenty of blogs like Janice Hardy's that teach you far more about the actual craft of writing than I ever got in college.

And as Maggie says, studying writing is not the most common way to become a writer. Just look up your favorite writers and see what they studied. Jack London got scoffed at when he tried taking a writing course, and Stevenson studied law, Conan Doyle medicine, Barbara Kingsolver biology, Elizabeth Moon history, Paolo Bacigalupi East Asian Studies, and so on. They learned by doing, and that’s the only way to learn.

To sum up, it all comes down to applying yourself. Focus and discipline and getting your work out there. You can do that in college or on your own, but in the end that matters most in whether you’ll succeed as a writer.

I don’t think a college degree is necessary to become a good writer. I’m not even certain it’s an advantage. College probably won’t hurt you – if you don’t take it too seriously. But far more important, I believe, is broad general experience: living as active a life as possible, meeting all ranks of people, plenty of travel, trying your hand at various kinds of work, keeping your eyes, ears, and mind open, remembering what you observe, reading plenty of good books, and writing every day – simply writing.
- Edward Abbey

skeggjold_laka[info]skeggjold_laka on December 3rd, 2011 06:58 pm (UTC)
Amen. The worst thing I did for my art (and I think I could argue my French) was to study them in college.

There are girls who don't eat cookies for breakfast?
Rated S for Stunning[info]avari_maethor on December 3rd, 2011 07:36 pm (UTC)
And this is why I voted for you as best author of the year on Goodreads, because you give your readers so much useful (and fun) information.

Thank you!
Elaine Smith[info]Elaine Smith on December 3rd, 2011 08:05 pm (UTC)
CREATIVE WRITING
Great post. Thanks for sharing, I'm sure lot of people will be interested. Hope your arm is better soon - and it wasn't my aunt that stuck you because she gives the profession of phlebotomist a bad name (and, let's face it, it has that already ;)
I think if the novel is unique and it will speak to many it has a much better chance of being published than if an author wrote something after attending any kind of course.

Elaine AM Smith
Heather[info]edgyauthor on December 3rd, 2011 09:31 pm (UTC)
It really surprises me that a creative writing class turned you away, and not simply because I'm a fan of your writing. I mean, aren't classes places to learn? The whole point of taking a creative writing class is to get better at the craft!

Anyway, I agree completely with your post. I had a bad creative writing class in high school (the teacher was...rude, to put it mildly), so I didn't want to repeat the experience in any way in college. People sometimes tell me I should have (when not saying I should have pursued an art degree), but for both art and writing, I don't feel like I need to pursue a degree to stay motivated and learn, so why push it unless you want it?
Angela Hoffman[info]a_hoffman79 on December 3rd, 2011 11:52 pm (UTC)
"That piece of paper often means something. But the lack of it often doesn’t."

"But if you take 50 teens who all want to be history majors, for instance, and put them through four years of college, at the end, you will not have fifty equally-educated graduates."

This...just yes. Yes for so many reasons on both comments.

"...about OUTLIERS: The Story of Success, by Malcolm Gladwell."

My mother loves this book, uses it in her freshman composition courses she teachers, and gave us a copy to read ourselves. I will now sheepishly admit that it is languishing on the bookshelves with the other two to three hundred books that I need to get to one day.

Angela Hoffman[info]a_hoffman79 on December 3rd, 2011 11:53 pm (UTC)
*cough* I did not mean to make "teachers" into a verb right there. I think my typo is a reminder that I should go eat something and fuel my brain right now....
tracy_d74[info]tracy_d74 on December 4th, 2011 03:50 am (UTC)
*claps hands* Well said. People assume that because I have advanced degrees that I am an education snob. I tell people that I have first hand knowledge of people with Ph.D's that are not bright and people who have high school diplomas that can dance circles around me when it comes to brillance. A piece of paper means that you spent time in a room listening (maybe) to someone talk. It doesn't mean you learned. It doesn't mean you know how to apply what you learned.
Chelsea[info]live_write on December 4th, 2011 03:55 am (UTC)
I totally agree. 100%
I went to college to become an English teacher (mainly because it was so pushed in my high school that you had to go to college to BE something)
Then I realized what I was doing and went just for the writing.
....but....my creative writing teacher frustrated me.

It wasn't that he was rude or anything...he just didn't care for fantasy, and all I wrote had fantasy elements. He kept saying "a little more realistic" or "More modern" (I have a fondness for the medival eras and the like)
I got so mad that it hampered my writing till it was a shadow of its original glory. Eventually I told myself just to write it the way I wanted to and only take in the peer critiques.

Finally I dropped out after three semesters and have been happily writing away.
Tim McGregor[info]TimMcGregor1 on December 4th, 2011 04:48 am (UTC)
Wow. That is a great post. I'd wager it's right up there with Kurt Vonnegut's commencement speeches. Honest.

Having had a terrible post-secondary experience, I'm hyper-acute to the pressure for the youngins to get a college/university education. It's a fine sentiment but also a financial deathtrap. I've polled most of my friends, colleagues and fellow parents about the degree they earned and the career they're in now. Almost all of them work in a field that had nothing to do with what they pursued in school.
Stormbringer Cirrus[info]atateatarin on December 4th, 2011 06:25 am (UTC)
So absolutely true.

Though I'm terribly curious now; what area of history? I'm currently majoring in ancient history/mythology for a degree :D History is amazing -- all that reesearch, and all that writing. Not to mention all that information. I find history makes for some of the best inspiration-fodder, after all, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction :D
shundayah[info]shundayah on December 4th, 2011 09:14 am (UTC)
I so totally agree!!!

It saddens me how much emphasis people put on degrees. All it does is make people who don’t have one doubt themselves, their value and intelligence. One of my closest friends has always thought less of herself because she never got a degree and puts people who have them up on some sort of pedestal. She thinks they must be smarter than her and of more value and it holds her back. I have told her many times that it means nothing. It is the actually work experience that counts – something of which she has plenty. Yet she still doesn’t believe me. And she is one of the smartest and sweetest people I know. It is just wrong.

I have two degrees (International Business and Law) and I don’t use either of them. Seven years of my life down the gurgler. In my opinion, a degree is useless unless you need it as a prerequisite to get into a certain profession.

Really, a degree is only a learner’s permit that gives you “official” permission to go out there and start learning! But since when do you need official permission to do anything that you are passionate about???
Dani Nosek[info]Dani Nosek on December 4th, 2011 05:53 pm (UTC)
Great post. And I agree full-heartedly. So many times people think either because they have a degree they can do something; or that because they don't have a degree they can't. When it comes to the creative and performing arts, this is completely untrue. My best friend got her undergraduate in theater. Did she ever do anything with that? No. Was it her dream? Yes. Why didn't she? Because she held a degree and they were supposed to come to HER to make her a star. So now she holds temp jobs for retail and sales calls and customer service.

The point being, being GREAT at something is what will get you to your dreams, not the paper you hold in your hand (unless it's an amazing manuscript!)
helenfharvey[info]helenfharvey on December 4th, 2011 07:10 pm (UTC)
This is a nice post of which I approve
[info]Vera Soroka on December 4th, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
I think writers like yourself have been the greatest teachers to me. You have been in a lot of ways my classroom. When you have given examples of creating what is important to you-mood, I paid attention and learned. I have definetly applied those teachings to my own writing. I like the way you pull down books off your shelf and see how your favorite authors have done certain things. Writers to me are the greatest teachers.
I thank you for being a damn good teacher!
amaris glass[info]amarisglass on December 6th, 2011 09:07 pm (UTC)
Only slightly on-topic, I have to say, again, that these small glimpses into your young life--so different than what I experienced--are fascinating. *dreams of eventually living someplace other than Southern California someday*
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on December 20th, 2011 03:09 am (UTC)
It's funny, because I always thought there was a "typical" upbringing until I found out that everyone's is atypical.

There are worse places than SoCal! Like . . . Detroit!
kimbra_w_gish: captainsarahiwillbelieve[info]kimbra_w_gish on December 20th, 2011 01:16 am (UTC)
I am applauding quite gratefully over here. As someone who has received numerous rejections, but also some wonderful feedback that I've been able to use...as someone who firmly believes that practice is a better teacher than any number of lectures...as a hopeful writer...this is more heartening than anything else to hear. Thank you so much.

Appreciatively,
Kimbra Wilder Gish
Maggie Stiefvater[info]m_stiefvater on December 20th, 2011 03:09 am (UTC)
You're VERY welcome!
jordan barker[info]jordan barker on December 31st, 2011 10:58 pm (UTC)
hello this is random
i am only 13 and i need to find a book to read and will anyone help me ( i prefer my books to be bout mythical creatures and thick)
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